Why Chevrolet Spin Phase Out

[SOLD] 1975 Chevrolet Vega Cosworth Twin Cam For Sale

Chicago Car Club:

this is our 75 Casa Vega twin-cam so
this video will be you first a slow walk
around and then I will do the second
walk around in which I will show
close-ups of cosmetic blemishes on the
car
Oh domitor reads
25,000 and change it's a five digit so
it's it could very well be 125 about
half the car is original paint pretty
much the bottom half under the the mid
line stripe is original whereas the roof
trunk lid and the hood and tops of the
fenders were all resprayed at some point
body is in really nice shape there is
one tiny ding that I will show you a
close up up in a little bit but it's on
the rear deck lid
since purchasing the car we have we put
tires on it we put a carpet in it we put
a fuel pump in it change the oil that's
really is car runs and drives nicely
weatherstripping isn't great we replaced
some of it
there were 3,500 Cosworth Vega it's made
this was the 430 second so 3,500
Cosworth videos versus 190,000 regular
Vegas for this year but here the
blemishes there's some bubbles there at
the passenger front corner of the hood
as well as a chip because it you know
does the hood does fold forward so made
contact there for ding on the hood like
something that closed it with a wrench
in there or something like that see a
little ding there on the pillar and now
the trunk lid is the ugliest part of the
car you can see a bunch of these little
spots yeah so trunk lid is pretty
chipped up and there's that ding that I
had mentioned that's probably the most
severe spot on the car
the glass and all the light lenses are
clear and crack-free a couple little
more touch-up spots there
overall tonight it's a nice driver level
car it's not quite show quality but it's
certainly presentable it's gonna get
inside the lights there a little bit of
Aging
interior is in really really nice shape
as I mentioned we did the carpets but
the seats are in nice shape
the ergonomics of this car are actually
great just the placement of the gear
lever the whole setup is really nice
the twin-cam actually makes a great kind
of humming exhaust and over

The JEGS Great Race Car Promotional Giveaway Chevy Vega (1973)

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Announcer: In 2010, JEGS High Performance
celebrates 50 years of giving people what
they want at the price they wanna pay.
Backed up by the best in customer service
since 1960.
Here's another JEGS 50th Anniversary video
highlight, as we celebrate our Golden Anniversary.
Jeg Coughlin, Sr. has always been a major
believer in the power of promotion.
One of the best examples of his appreciation
for making a promotional splash took place
in 1973.
At the NHRAs Division 3 Championship Event,
at National Trail Raceway in Jeg's hometown
of Columbus, OH.
Jeg: What we thought we would do is just buy
a Vega, and we were gonna raffle it off through
the company.
And when people would buy parts, their name
would go in the hat to be raffled off this
car.
So about half way through the season, we needed
a car to actually tow our funny car with.
So at that point in time, I said, "Well let's
just paint this Vega just like our race cars,
exactly like it, and we'll use it as a tow
car.
And then at the end of the year whoever wins
it, we'll get them to paint it, and away we'll
go."
Well, the only problem was when we finally
did find someone who did win it, they opted
not to paint it.
And they drove it on the street like that
for years.

1990 Chevy Lumina : Regular Car Reviews

RegularCars:

Oh good, my baby sitter is here.
Chevy Lumina! It's a car from 1990 and it's quite a looker too. If you like "Let's Make a Deal".
1990 Chevy Lumina. The official car of walking into a Uni-Mart in the depths of January and saying
"Can I get a get a pack of Salem Slims, my Mom is just out in the car."
I know you're waiting for me to go full negative on this transparent attempt by General Motors
to convince your wood panel parents GM is "with it."
COOL! YEAH! DAYS OF THUNDER!
WE'RE GETTING A SATELLITE DISH!
And we've arrived once again at the W-Body platform from that musty old battleaxe that gave us the Buick Regal
and the Pontiac Grand Prix. It's the 1980's parking lot platform
the official car of "keep an eye on your brother while I run inside to the bank."
"I know it's hot, just roll down a window." This Lumina is on the first gen W-Body.
The type of car that if it was the family vehicle during your childhood,
you had no realistic expectation of having it handed to you as a teenager.
The Lumina is expensive engineering encased in a body that isn't nearly as gaudy.
That's because you're not meant to have it for very long.
It's the automotive equivalent of the common cold.
MY RECTUM IS A NATIONAL TRAGEDY SO MARKY-MARK IS GOING TO DO A MOVIE ABOUT IT!
The Chevy Lumina is the first 4-door sedan to be built off the W-Body platform.
The idea was to offer a reasonable mid-sized sedan that could exist as a middle-ground
between a family car and a more robust daily driver.
I mean hell, Chevrolet managed to get DISNEY and Disney MGM Studios to classify the Lumina
as it's "official company car" in 1990. There were brochures and everything about it.
Anyway. For the price of around $13,000 (which is roughly $24,000 in 2017)
General Motors had every expectation that this car would sell.
This particular Lumina is in really good shape!
It has 41,000 miles on it. And although it was purchased last march with 33,000 miles on it,
all things being equal, it held up well. It's powered by a 3.1 Liter V6 which makes 135 HP and 180 LB/FT of Torque
It's got a column mounted shifter, coil-over front suspension and a oh we gotta talk about the
*micro brain explosion* the rear.
Yeah we're just gonna come back to the rear on this.
Quick thing about the engine, the difference is the Lumina has a 3.1 liter V6.
Do you remember the Buick Century from a few weeks ago?
That had a 3.3 Liter V6. But the Lumina has a 4-Speed automatic where 4th is overdrive.
While the Buick has a 3-speed automatic with no overdrive. So, even though the Lumina has less displacement,
It can stay in the powerband longer. And with a slightly smaller engine, it can rev faster.
So the Lumina is faster than a Buick Century.
Ok. The rear suspension. Independent rear suspension. Yeah, it's kinda good for 1990
although the Civics had these it was fine. But it still uses a leaf spring.
And by that I mean a Leaf. Spring. Singular.
They built an independent rear-wheel suspension using one, solid, single, fiberglass leaf going across the car.
Look at that! The only other car known for having this is the Corvette and you can bet
that they oh they paraded this in front of the market.
IT HAS CORVETTE INSPIRED SUSPENSION.
Yeah it's the same principle that the Corvette used. Of course it's not the same part numbers. Even though it's the same design
Does it drive like a Corvette? No!
I mean if you didn't tell me that this thing had independent suspension in the back with the
with the weird transverse mounted singular modular fiberglass leaf spring, I wouldn't have known.
Does it handle sporty? Not really. You're too busy hanging onto that thin steering wheel
because it's a bent seat in the front and if you take a corner too fast you slide away from the steering wheel.
Anyway, Aaron bought this Lumina as a commuter car because his Saab was just one big money pit.
He was looking for just any sort of Craigslist beater and he found this
but wouldn't you know it, he started to fall in love with it!
So he had the thing detailed, he found new wheel covers, he painted them himself to match the original paint
He started to tap out dents. He really likes this thing.
I mean for one, it's very spacious on the inside. This is again before gigantic A-pillars so the visibility is amazing out of this thing.
The W-Body platform was a 7 Billion dollar investment for General Motors.
Initiated by Roger Smith, the guy so notoriously bad at business he'd probably try to sell
snow in late January to residents of Lower Heidelberg Township.
This car platform was expected to be a big money maker but General Motors lost $2000 on every unit.
So the platform was revised in subsequent years as the W-2 car because why not?
The platform that basically screams "My taxes are in the mail."
The blueprints for the Lumina are from the early 1980's so the car made sense for the era in which it was originally planned.
However, by the time it came out, it had a 7 year old design and you have to compare that with Ford.
And when you're competing against Ford you have to come correct.
Because the Ford Taurus was a bull. (Heh bad joke) It stampeded everything.
The Taurus was the American game changer car and the Lumina always played catch-up to that.
And even if the Taurus hadn't existed there was still the Honda Accord and Toyota Camry to deal with.
The market was rough for General Motors and the the Lumina didn't really help.
It's like trying to compete with Minute Maid Orange Juice by selling Dick Flavored Capri-Sun.
Not all the quirks about this car were endearing. Cracks developed on the clear coat pretty regularly which is basically the sign of cheap paint.
The battery, is encased beneath a structural support brace that you have to remove just to change your battery.
These cars weren't designed for ease of service. Between the complicated engine layout
and the trim pieces which just sorta come off in your hand due to shotty adhesive.
The trunk latch catch is right in the middle of where you try to slide suitcases.
So your luggage is going to get caught on that thing and rip it up. Aaand what was the #1 rental car for airports in the 90's?
CHEVY LUMINA! That's a nice set of Samsonite you got there. It'd be a shame if something happened to it...
The Lumina also had these huge seams. General Motors made no attempt to hide them.
It gave the appearance of a toy assembled by clicking different parts into place.
You know, like one of those snap-tight model planes because your kid is too spastic to deal with rubber cement.
"Ah, here's a, here's, here's a model, yeah it just snaps together. No, no, no, you, you don't need, yeah just snap it together."
The W-Body was the platform for cars that took you to the mall to try on clothes with mom.
You have to find an outfit for Aunt Margret's "thing" and it's 3 months away.
But oh we have to do it now and the first size never fits.
The universe just can't do you a solid. You have to try on the same wool blazer and itchy trousers,
for 7 GOD LOVING times before you can go to Electronics Boutique to try to salvage what's left of your Sunday afternoon.
But looking back where those Sundays all that bad?
It's strange, because you can never really appreciate those moments, in the moment.
To be a kid with your parents. To put on a stuffy outfit at Boscov's because it'll put a genuine smile
on her face and those don't come often enough.
The Chevy Lumina may not let you physically travel back in time, but the look and feel even *SNIIIIIFFFF* the smell of the Lumina
can help you remember a hundred different Saturday afternoons from your youth. Each with it's own merit.
The Chevy Lumina is an automotive save point. The Lumina takes you back to that memory file in your mind where all the Saturdays go.
Some of the saves have been corrupted but in the "what if" of your mind,
you get another chance to step out of that dressing room and say "Ok Mom. How do I look?"
In my family since age 4, but it's not my car because I'm grown.
Oooh ooo whoah
I want a Chevy of my own.
I close today. We're stuck at Sears.
Where Boscov's in the local mall.
My Mom won't let me out of heeeerrrrrrrrre.

Chevy LS Engine Parts Swap Conversion Install Overview How-To Tutorial Performance Chevrolet Car

JEGS Performance:

Announcer: Brought to you by JEGS.
[music]
Chase: LS swaps have been taking place all
over the nation for well on a decade, and
for good reason.
They're lightweight, fuel-efficient, easy
to work on, and they make great power with
relatively few modifications.
Over the years, we've had a lot of the LS
vehicles come through our shop, like this
1955 Chevrolet, and now, thanks in large part
to a huge aftermarket offering, swapping an
LS between the fenders of your favorite muscle
car is now easier than ever.
Whether you picked up an LS from the junkyard
or you're starting out with a brand new crate
engine, there are many solutions out there
to help you bolt that block to your favorite
chassis.
In order to help you through your own swap,
we've teamed up with the guys over at JEGS
to show you a few of the components that you'll
need.
The first thing to consider when swapping
an LS into a vehicle is how it's going to
bolt to the chassis.
Rest assured that there's a vendor out there
that makes engine and transmission mounts
and crossmembers for virtually any application.
Another important item to consider when planning
for your LS swap are the headers.
Take these Hooker LS Swap Headers, for example.
They're available in a 1 3/4-inch primary,
and they're available from everything from
a '67 to '81 F-body to a Nissan 240SX and
the S13 or S14 chassis.
The final consideration when swapping an LS
into any car is the oil pan.
This pan from Chevrolet Performance allows
you to swap in almost any LS application into
your favorite muscle car.
When it comes to mounting your pre-1997 transmission
to your new LS motor, there's a couple of
different options you have.
The first option is to get a custom torque
converter.
The second, and probably easier, option is
to use one of these, which is an adapter ring
which pushes your flywheel out closer to your
transmission.
This will work with all TH400, 350, and 700R4
transmissions and the bellhousings will as
well, as they don't require an adapter to
bolt to an LS engine.
A modern engine requires modern cooling, and
specifically the LS requires the inlet and
outlet on the radiator to be on the same side.
There are several ways to accommodate this,
but the easiest way is with a kit like this
from Be Cool, which comes with all the fan
shrouds, hoses, and everything you need to
accommodate your new LS engine.
When it comes to controlling the throttle
on your LS, you have a couple of different
choices.
You've got either a cable-driven throttle
body or a drive-by-wire throttle body, and
if your wiring harness is set up for a drive-by-wire
throttle body, the simpler solution might
be to just add a pedal position sensor, which
will alleviate a lot of headaches in the long
run.
Wiring a modern LS can arguably be the most
daunting point of any project, but a lot of
aftermarket companies provide a complete solution,
like this kit from Chevrolet Performance,
which allows you to swap an LS into virtually
any application.
For those of you that want the modern capabilities
of the LS engine, but want the old-school
look and feel of a carbureted application,
Holley provides these kits, which have come
with an intake manifold that will swap onto
an LS engine, as well as a controller that
still will allow you to run coil-near-plug
as well as all of the refinements of an LS
system.
When it comes to feeding your new LS engine,
there's only a handful of options.
You can either take the stock fuel pump and
retrofit it into your current tank, you can
order a new custom tank that has a GM fuel
system assembly in it, or you can mount an
external fuel pump.
Once you have your high-pressure fuel source
figured out, it's time to think about engine
management.
What we've got here is the MSD Atomic EFI
for the LS engine.
This Atomic EFI LS Master Kit comes with what
you need to either do a return or a returnless
fuel system, and it also has a control unit
and wiring harness built right into the fuel
rails.
It also comes with a tuning unit that allows
you to select whether you want a cable-driven
throttle body or a drive-by-wire throttle
body, eliminating the necessity to re-tune
the computer or eliminate pigtails on the
wiring harness.
One of the things that makes this really cool
is the controller will allow you to compensate
for cams, nitrous, power-adder applications,
all without extensive tuning knowledge, and
directly from this box.
Another thing to consider when planning your
LS swap is the air intake system.
There are many vendors out there that provide
application-specific kits, or you can get
universal pieces, like this one from Spectre,
that comes with the mass air flow sensor port
all ready to go.
One of the final things to consider before
cranking up your LS is the front accessory
drive system.
Now, you're gonna wanna take careful measurements
and make sure that they're not interfering
with sheet metal or frame rails, but with
kits like these from Chevrolet Performance,
it's a pretty straightforward process.
These kits from Chevrolet Performance come
with everything you need, including an alternator,
A/C pump if you choose, and the power steering
pump.
As you can see here, the aftermarket has come
up with a solution to virtually any problem
you can run into while doing an LS swap.
We've only scratched the surface here, and
hopefully we've provided you with some inspiration
to start your own swap.
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Dream Car Auction - a Nebraska Story

NETNebraska:

♪ MUSIC ♪
(Auctioneering)
MAN: 1 mile, 2 miles...
(Auctioneering)
MAN: How many miles?
(Auctioneering)
MAN: 5 miles on them or less.
MAN: That old low mileage truck over there, I'd like to have it.
MAN: Oh, everyone of them
I'd like to have.
I'm looking at the pick-ups,
the Chevelles...
MAN: You got a wagon
over there with 300 miles.
MAN: I haven't even got started looking at all of them yet.
(Auctioneering)
MAN: Thinking these prices are going to skyrocket.
(Auctioneering)
MAN: That would be my guess.
AUCTIONEER: Sold it!
MAN: Well, I think they're going to go higher than they're worth.
MAN:I imagine there is a lot more money here than I've got.
AUCTIONEER: 32 thousand dollars!
MAN: It's awesome to have 50 cars sitting here brand new.
MAN: I don't know if
Lambrecht knew or not
when he was doing it,
cause all Chevys,
most of them, are collectible.
MAN: 51! This is it!
MAN: I'd give
them 900 bucks for it.
MAN: It's exciting just to see people looking at old Chevys.
MAN: It really is unbelievable.
AUCTIONEER: 15 thousand, 14 5...
MAN: I'm out, I'm out...
MAN: I'm 58 years old and I've never seen this in my lifetime.
AUCTIONEER: Now 7, now 8...
MAN: It's like a time capsule, they're just preserved...
MAN: Takes you back in time.
MAN: And people want
a piece of history.
AUCTIONEER: Sold!
♪ Music ♪

Chevy Cruze takes top spot at Cleveland Auto Show

WKBN27:

Show.
Not for any new features....but
for success. Today --- I was in
Cleveland to see how Northeast
Ohio connects in a special
way with the locally-built
vehicle.
There are 1-thousand cars at the
Cleveland Auto Show --- The
Chevy Cruze has been picked as
the Car of the Show. It's
recognition that the car is
Chevy's best
selling car around the
globe...AND that it's made in
northeast Ohio.
26:36 :12 GLENN JOHNSON EVERY
GENERATION FROM
the VEGA NOW TO THE WORLD CLASS
CRUZE HAS GOTTEN BETTER.
THE TECHNOLOGY, THE FUEL
ECONOMY, the FIT AND FINISH.
The metallic blue model on
display at the I-X Center
rolled off the assembly line
within the last 2-months. When
the new generation model was
introduced last year....it took
awhile to make sure the assembly
process was
up to everyone's standards.
27:39 :12 ROBERT MORALES
A LOT OF HARD WORK AND EFFORT
BEING PUT INTO IT. WE WERE
STRUGGLING THRU SOME OFTHE
PROCESSES, BUT WE'VE WORKED ON
THOSE PROCESSES AND GOTTEN
BETTER. AND MORE EFFICIENT AT
PRODUCING THE CAR. AND I'M VERY
PROUD FO THE VEHICLE WE BUILD
TODAY. One big hurdle remains
-- a consumer
switch away from small cars,
while gas prices remain low.
The Cruze offers everything a
driver expects --- comfort,
protection, and those
modern active safety features.
51:31 KATIE AMANN
ONCE YOU HAVE THEM, YOU'RE USED
TO THEM. THE SIDE BLIND-ZONE
ALERTS, THE REVERSE CAMERAS,
EVERYTHING TAHT
MAKES DRIVING JUST A LITTLE MORE
COMFORTALBE AND
GIVES YOU PEACE OF MIND ON THE
ROAD.
Autoworkers have had some
sleepless nights....seeing a
third shift eliminated and
watching another version of the
Cruze being made in Mexico.
And that model is on display,
right behind the version built
in Lordstown.
28:48 :08 ROBERT MORALES IT'S A
TOUGH PILL TO SWALLOW BUT
WE'RE CONFIDENT IN OUR VEHICLE.
AND I THINK OUR SALES OUTSHINE
THE ONE OF THE HATCHBACK CRUZE.
The Cruze is also the giveaway
vehicle of the Cleveland Auto
Show...with one being
given away on the last day of
the show....which is NEXT
Sunday.
Let's go to Paul to learn more
about today's record high.

The Secret RWD Sport Compact Chevy Wants You To Know About - AFTER/DRIVE

THE DRIVE:

MIKE SPINELLI: Can General
Motors build a rear wheel
drive sport compact car you guys
would actually want to
drive, let alone buy?
And what should they name it?
We've got Alex Nunez from
RoadAndTrack.com on the after
drive couch.
And today on After Drive, we
are talking about the best
Chevrolet product rumor
in decades.
That's right now
on After Drive.

So I just want to start up by
acknowledging the commenter's
that after last week's show when
we were talking about the
BMW E30M3s S14 four cylinder
reminded me about a natural
aspirated four with a very
similar power output in
production around
the same time.
And that was the 2.3
Oldsmobile Quad 4.
And if you're a fan of quirkpod
engines, you remember
the Quad 4.
It produced 180 horsepower
double overhead Cam 4 with a
very rare W41 version
that produced 190.
The old Cutlass Callaway Quad
442 did 0 to 60 in seven
seconds, which, back then,
was pretty good.
It was quicker than
a Z28 Camaro.
And it also raced, and it won
the MSA Fire Hawk Endurance
Series and MSA.
International Sedan
Series in 1991.
So if you want to know more,
head over to Quad4Forums.com.
I'll put the link in the
basement down below this.
Also, the Quad 4 powered
the GM Ero Tech
cars like this one.
The concept cars.
This one set a closed course
speed record at the hands of
AJ Foyt of 267.88 miles per
hour with heavily turbo
charged Quad 4.
Alex Nunez from
RoadAndTrack.com.
You remember the Quad 4.
ALEX NUNEZ: Yeah.
I can't say I'd thought about it
until about 10 seconds ago.
MIKE SPINELLI: Neither did I.
And that's why somebody
had to remind me.
ALEX NUNEZ: I don't believe
those are the stock headers.
MIKE SPINELLI: First of all,
not stock headers, though.
ALEX NUNEZ: Right.
Not stock.
It's funny that you bring
it up though.
I was at a cruise night
a couple weeks ago.
I brought my kids to a Saturday
night thing at one of
these drive-in's.
And somebody had a
Quad 4 Callaway.
Not the rad Quad 442.
MIKE SPINELLI: The
W 41 package.
ALEX NUNEZ: And that's
really rare.
What was the number?
MIKE SPINELLI: Well,
that's the thing.
Of the Callaway with
the W41, there were
only 209, maybe, made.
ALEX NUNEZ: Right.
So, what, are there
300 Enzo's?
MIKE SPINELLI: They're
more Enzo's.
Could you imagine the
Enzo's more rare?
I mean, that's more
rare than an Enzo?
ALEX NUNEZ: It probably is
because a lot of these are
probably dust anyway.
Most of the surviving ones
are probably in Michigan.
You won't see them at all.
And then you go to the Woodward
Dream Cruise, and
you'll see all of them
in a 24 hour span.
MIKE SPINELLI: Right.
Everything is in Michigan
somewhere.
ALEX NUNEZ: Everything is
in Michigan because
you know how it is.
You get off the plane, and all
of a sudden you drive out of
the rent a car thing.
And the last time I went I saw
two Thunderbird Super Coops in
the space of five minutes.
I hadn't seen one, I think, in
probably three or four years.
So, I'm sure that's where
all these are hiding.
MIKE SPINELLI: And
it's interesting.
The cool thing about the Quad 4
is that a lot of hot riders
started getting into them
because, other than the fact
they're nerds, if you look
over here at the cams, it
looks like an Offenhauser a
little, if you look at an old
Offenhauser racing engine.
So it's got a lot of, kind
of, nerd engine cred.
ALEX NUNEZ: Right.
And hot riders don't care
about MVH issues, and
everything that plagued these
cars when they came out.
MIKE SPINELLI: Yeah.
Well, that's the thing.
They use to rattle, and
eventually they added a bounce
shaft or something later on.
ALEX NUNEZ: Right.
Eventually, they fixed it.
And then they just cut it off,
which was classic GM
methodology of the era.
MIKE SPINELLI: Right.
And kind of interesting that,
in the old days, the brands
used to make their
own engines.
So, that kind of went
away in the '70s.
And then in the '80s, to have
Oldsmobile build its own
engine like this and then end up
in the Chevy Beretta and--
what else was this in--
the Pontiac Grand Am.
ALEX NUNEZ: I think it
was in the Grand Am.
MIKE SPINELLI: Yeah, in the
Calais and the Achieva.
ALEX NUNEZ: Oh, the Achieva.
MIKE SPINELLI: Achieva.
ALEX NUNEZ: I just saw an
Achieva on 57th street the
other day, now that
you bring that up.
MIKE SPINELLI: Anyway.
So, Chevy.
ALEX NUNEZ: Yeah, Chevy.
Sort of big news.
MIKE SPINELLI: So to recap,
a couple of years ago in
Detroit, GM showed up with
two concept cars, right.
So one of them was the
Tru 140R concept.
And that, sort of, looked
a lot like a
Mitsubishi Eclipse, actually.
ALEX NUNEZ: Very much like it.
MIKE SPINELLI: But then they
had the Code 130R.
ALEX NUNEZ: Right.
I mean, the names are terrible
for both of the cars.
MIKE SPINELLI: I know.
It's sort of whatever they
think the youth oriented
culture is going to be.
ALEX NUNEZ: Because that
works out so well.
MIKE SPINELLI: Because that's
worked out so well in
the past for them.
Right.
So as it turns out, the car that
is the one that shows the
most promise for what they are
talking about building with
the rumor that we're talking
about today is that they're
going to build a sport
compact car.
ALEX NUNEZ: Right.
MIKE SPINELLI: Because listen,
Mark Royce has been on record
multiple times.
He loves this car.
ALEX NUNEZ: Right.
MIKE SPINELLI: And this
is actually--
ALEX NUNEZ: GM boss
by the way.
Chevy boss.
And the thing is, I remember
when these photos came out I
was like, oh, it's
kind of lame.
But the thing is, this car
in person is great.
It's a really good size.
Got a great stance
and everything.
And so, the rumor as Jalopnik
reported-- and I have some
other stuff from probably
some other source--
is right now in Australia the
rear wheel drive Zeta sedans.
This is the last generation
of those.
So after this three year
run, we're getting that
as the Chevy SS.
And HSV is unveiling their new
super performance versions
tomorrow, including the wagon
and the ute and everything.
MIKE SPINELLI: By the way,
that's the platform that the
Camaro's are right now.
That's the larger rear drive.
ALEX NUNEZ: Right, which
Australia developed.
MIKE SPINELLI: Yes.
ALEX NUNEZ: This is an
Australian thing.
This is once again where
Australia sort of saves
America's bacon in terms of rear
wheel drive cars because
it's such an ingrained part
of the culture there.
So the issue right now, and this
was a great concept from
a couple years ago, with
basically a two door holding
Commodore concept.
MIKE SPINELLI: Yeah.
That's that platform I
was talking about.
ALEX NUNEZ: Right.
This is Zeta.
This is the old body style.
I love that car.
MIKE SPINELLI: By the way, if
you go back a little bit--
go back two more--
we're going to talk about this
more in terms of the styling
of it as an influence of what
GM might be building.
But keep going on the--
ALEX NUNEZ: Right.
So the problem is, after this
run of Zeta sedans, the
Commodore world becomes a global
front drive car, like a
Lacrosse platform or whatever
the current version of that is
at the time.
And that, from the sources that
I've talked to, has the
guys in Holden very--
MIKE SPINELLI: They're pissed.
ALEX NUNEZ: They are unhappy
because Holden wants an
Australian car.
And Australian car is code
for rear wheel drive.
MIKE SPINELLI: Right, exactly.
Australian car means muscle
car lineage, right?
Australia developed this, kind
of, parallel muscle car
universe to America's.
ALEX NUNEZ: Right, exactly.
MIKE SPINELLI: And
they kept it.
Where we, sort of, threw
it in the garbage.
ALEX NUNEZ: We threw
it all out.
After the '80s, when we got rid
of all those mid-size rear
wheel drive platforms like the
Monte Carlo, and the Regal and
everything, that was
pretty much it.
The only thing that survived
was the Mustang.
MIKE SPINELLI:.
Right.
ALEX NUNEZ: Because at GM, rear
wheel drive went away if
it wasn't a Corvette
or a Camero.
And then the F-Body's went away
for a period of time.
You had nothing.
So the Australians, they want
a rear wheel drive car.
So my understanding
is that they went
pretty far in this process.

From what I understand, there
are clays of this proposed
car, which they want
to call Terrano.
They want to resurrect
that name.
MIKE SPINELLI: And it might
look like this?
ALEX NUNEZ: No.
What I heard is that it is going
to be a three box Coupe,
which speaks to that 130R
with some Camaro
style attitude to it.
So it sounds like it's actually
going to be not as
conservative looking
as the 130R.
Or at least what has been
pitched by Holden to the
mother-ship to try
and get this car.
And I think, as part of that
pitch, they're saying, if you
green light this, you
could sell this
in the US as a Chevelle.
So I think that's where the
Chevelle rumor comes from.
MIKE SPINELLI: So, the thing is
that the car will be small.
And this is what a Chevelle
looked like.
A big car.
And this is going to be a sport
compact, so this is
going to go up against the
Subaru BRZ, theoretically.
ALEX NUNEZ: Right.
MIKE SPINELLI: They
need a name.
So we went to Facebook and asked
our Facebook audience
what they thought we should call
it and whether they would
buy it because, don't forget,
GM is not known
for its sport compacts.

Have they done a
sport compact?
Yes, they actually did if you
consider the Cosworth Vega.
So, I wrote a piece in
"Jalopnik" about why they
should call it the Vega.
And basically, it's because
then they could work with
Cosworth and do like a Cosworth
tuned version, and do
a new Cosworth Vega.
And I think that would
be freaking awesome.
ALEX NUNEZ: I don't know about
calling it the Vega.
I think there's way too
much baggage there.
And seriously, if not for Mad
Men two weeks ago, are we even
bringing up Vega in
this conversation?
MIKE SPINELLI: That's true.
Would we be talking
about Vega?
ALEX NUNEZ: I mean, we would
not have thought of it.
Just like I would not have
thought of the Calais 442 had
you not brought it up at the
beginning of the show.
MIKE SPINELLI: Right.
I think that's kind of the point
I was making is that
nobody remembers what a piece of
crap the Vega was, but it's
a good name.
And Cosworth Vega, kind of,
has a little ring to it.
This had basically the aluminum
block from the Vega
with the Cosworth twin Cam heads
on it and was kind of
neutered by the EPA and the
emissions control people.
And so, they owe us this car.
They owe us a good one.
I mean, this was pretty good--
ALEX NUNEZ: They owe us
a good sport compact.
They don't necessarily owe
us a Cosworth Vega.
MIKE SPINELLI: [LAUGHS]
I think they owe us a
damn Cosworth Vega.
ALEX NUNEZ: I can totally
see them going with
something like Chevelle.
Because can you imagine in the
Rensen, all of the chest bumps
and everything if that
ever got approved?
And all of the marketing people
just having a field day
thinking of how they're going
to advertise this?
MIKE SPINELLI: Right.
The other thing you could call
it, in my opinion, is Monte
Carlo because you get
back a real coupe.
A real Monte Carlo.
Not the front wheel
drive, you know.
You were talking about the old
Landau roof with the giant--
ALEX NUNEZ: I'm talking
about Monte Carlo SS.
MIKE SPINELLI: Oh.
ALEX NUNEZ: I'm talking about
that sort of generation where,
again, you had a three box
traditional coupe, which is
what that 130R is.
And which is what the rumor
has it that the Australian
design also mimics.
And Monte Carlo--
MIKE SPINELLI: That's
interesting.
ALEX NUNEZ: There is
good equity there.
And still in recent memory.
I mean maybe you could
do and throw a coupe.
MIKE SPINELLI: Trust me.
I remember the Monte
Carlo very fondly.
Let me tell you something
about the Monte Carlo.
This is a car that I remember
like I remember my own name
from way back.
Let me tell you something.
All right.
So we went to Facebook and
Twitter and asked you guys
what you thought the name should
be and whether you
would buy it because that's
another thing.
Would you buy a GM sport compact
despite the fact that,
actually, cars like the Cobalt
SS weren't really as bad as
people remember them.
And GM does make good
compacts now.
I mean, Sonic is really good.
MIKE SPINELLI: And Echotech
is a pretty good engine.
Maybe in next generation
Echotech could actually be
pretty good.
So on Twitter, Austin
Tacious--
Austin underscore Tacious--
said, "I'd consider it no idea
whether it should be a
rebirth, like the Chevelle or
the Vega, or a totally new
car, though, as long as it's
not a Sonic." That's it.
Sleevy B says, "call it a Nova
if they're boring, Bel Air if
they're ballsy, Corvair if
they're being ironic." So you
could call it a Corvair,
unsafe at any speed.
I don't think Corvair has
quite the equity.
ALEX NUNEZ: It doesn't.
I mean, Corvair is
a cool car, and
obviously has its own following.
But I don't know if that
name really works.
MIKE SPINELLI: Not sure
Corvair will work now.
Rear engine though.
If they did a rear
engine 911 Fire.
ALEX NUNEZ: Right.
That's coming soon.
MIKE SPINELLI: So Tokyo Car Guy
says on Twitter, I just
can't think of a way they
can pull this off.
And this is really the thing
we're not sure about.
Whether they can
pull this off.
They don't have the
proper base or
experience in that segment.
And then Ansand says, "for us
Antipodeans--" meaning the
Antipodes, which is a kind of
cool reference, that's the
other side of the world.
That means Australia,
I would imagines.
"For us Antipodeans, it
has to be the Torana."
ALEX NUNEZ: It has
to be the Torana
MIKE SPINELLI: So it has to be
the Torana in Australia.
ALEX NUNEZ: So Australia
has to be the Torana.
MIKE SPINELLI: Exactly.
ALEX NUNEZ: If the car gets
made, the whole debate is what
would call it here.
Right, exactly.
So on Facebook some of
commenter's added a little
more because you could comment
in more space.
I'd buy a sub 200 horsepower sub
2,700 pounds so sub 22 K
rear wheel drive coupe with 12
to 13 cubic feet of trunk
space, which the BRZ
does not have.
MIKE SPINELLI: So that's
something that if Chevy did
the code 130 R style, they would
have more trunk space.
That's the major factor keeping
me from considering
the BRZ as a daily driver, and
only car, for this guy.
It doesn't have to
be a sports car.
Just rear wheel drive and manual
says Mark Rothenberg.
As far as names go,
a BRZ competitor.
Who cares what it's called.
Just build it, says
Jonathan Arena.
And Sean Costello has the best
comment ever about this.
He said call it Chevrolet
the Chevrolet.
ALEX NUNEZ: Wow.
MIKE SPINELLI: To use Ferrari's
naming scheme.
ALEX NUNEZ: Let me just
call it Chevy 3.
MIKE SPINELLI: That's
true, yeah.
There was Chevy 2.
What was Chevy 1, by the way?
Do you remember?
ALEX NUNEZ: I don't remember.
MIKE SPINELLI: What do they
consider to be Chevy 1?
The Bel Air?
I don't know.
And then Chevy 2 was the Nova,
which is another name that a
lot of people have been saying
they should use.
So the problem is, that's
continuing to go back to their
heritage to name a car that's
nothing like any car they've
ever built.
ALEX NUNEZ: I don't
necessarily think
that's a bad thing.
I hate when these automakers
don't reach back and use
heritage names that have
cache to them.
I mean, Lincoln has completely
lost the
plot in terms of naming.
Totally messed it up.
But Chevy has good names that
they can still pull from.
Or like with Sonic, they can go
and just create something
totally new and try and give the
car a new identity, which
would be fine.
It is a new car.
If this ever came to fruition,
I think it could be a great
car because Alpha is good.
I mean, look at the ATS.
The chassis tuning
on the ATS--
MIKE SPINELLI: We have an
ATS in here somewhere.
Actually, there you go.
The chassis tuning is the best
thing about this car.
ALEX NUNEZ: It's an amazingly
good car.
The ATS is pretty spectacular
to drive.
The issues that people have with
it are around the user
interface inside the car,
which is whatever.
You can either get used
to it or you don't.
If you're reviewing a car-- you
have it for a week-- it's
not the same as living
with the car.
So you probably get used to
it like you get used to
everything else.
But one thing that is
just undeniable is
that chassis is awesome.
That means the new Camaro should
be really good too.
MIKE SPINELLI: Yeah.
What about size, right?
So they're actually making the
new Camaro smaller to fit on
this platform.
So this is the alpha platform,
they call it?
ALEX NUNEZ: It's Alpha.
MIKE SPINELLI: It's
Alpha, right?
ALEX NUNEZ: Yeah.
MIKE SPINELLI: OK.
So they're making the
Camaro smaller
to fit on this chassis.
So the next sport compact car
is going to have to be even
smaller than that.
ALEX NUNEZ: But not necessarily
though.
Well, look at how big
compact cars are.
Look at how big the
BMW1 Series M is.
MIKE SPINELLI: That's
very true.
ALEX NUNEZ: That is a big car
considered to be a compact.
Put a 1M next to an old M6.
You know, an OG M6.
Like 635.
That kind.
The 1M is like this gigantic
thing next to it.
MIKE SPINELLI: That's
very true.
ALEX NUNEZ: So the notion
of compact--
first of all, these size
classifications are all based
on EPA interior volume anyway.
So they'll call it
a sport compact.
It's not going to
be a small car.
Just like the Mustang is
supposed to be like
a small pony car.
It's not a small car.
The BRZ is not really
a small car.
MIKE SPINELLI: Well, in terms
of competition though, or in
terms of their own line.
So if the Camaro's small, this
car can't be a similar size as
a Camaro, though.
So then you're looking
at making it even
smaller than that.
And that's why on "Jalopnik,"
they were talking about that
they might not be able to use
the Alpha platform, because
that would be too big.
ALEX NUNEZ: Well, they're not
going to develop another rear
wheel drive platform.
MIKE SPINELLI: Right.
So it has to come out of the
Australian rear drive platform
that we've been talking about.
ALEX NUNEZ: Right.
They'll develop the whole car.
And they'll do it right.
I mean, they already
do it right.
MIKE SPINELLI: So what's the
deal with Australia?
So how did Australia end up
being a muscle car culture?
Is it just the same thing
with America?
Do they just have
a ton of space?
ALEX NUNEZ: Well, it's
a ton of space.
I've never been to Australia.
It's one of these places that
I really want to go to and
drive in, because I feel
like there are a lot
of parallels there.

It's an entire continent,
obviously.
There is this, sort of, rugged
individualism type
of thing going on.
And there's this sense
of freedom and
being able to go anywhere.
And that all has direct
parallels to the US where you
have the romantic vision, which
still exists, is that,
on any given day, you can just
get in your car and drive away
and go any place.
And you can, sort of,
live that fantasy.
And I think Australia
is a similar thing.
And the tastes were similar.
V8, muscle, rear wheel drive.
I mean, these falcons and these
various Commodores and
everything.
These are really cool cars.
MIKE SPINELLI: Yeah, and it's
funny how we, kind of,
abandoned that for the
front wheel drive.
And part of it was, obviously,
for the economy reason.
But part of it was that we
stopped giving a crap.
I mean, it's sort of about--
ALEX NUNEZ: Right.
And keep in mind, these
Australian rear wheel drive
cars, they're not cheap cars.
MIKE SPINELLI: Right,
that's true.
So, it's not like they have
economy rear drive cars.
ALEX NUNEZ: Right.
It's either the good
V6 or a V8.
And just like here, the SS,
which we have now, that's
pretty much a premium
model only.
It's a single trim level.
MIKE SPINELLI: Right.
So thank you Australia
for keeping the
dream alive for America.
When are going to see something
like this come out?
I mean 15?
Are we looking at 15?
ALEX NUNEZ: I mean, if
they approve it.
MIKE SPINELLI: Well,
that's the thing.
So Mark Royce was recently on
Twitter talking about they
want your help.
They want our help.
ALEX NUNEZ: Royce
wants this car.
But it's all about business
case, I think, at this point.
MIKE SPINELLI: I guess so.
And I think maybe they're
waiting on the BRZ and the FRS
to see how well they do.
ALEX NUNEZ: Well look,
they're not waiting.
They're going to make
the convertible
version of the FRS.
That show car was a finished
product with better leather.
So they're not running
away from that.
And Toyota maybe has a different
reason for this,
because Toyota was so beiged
out for so long
that the FRS or GT86--
as it's called everywhere else--
is really important in
terms of resetting something
at Toyota.
Like reminding that performance
is not just the
unobtainable Lexis LFA.
MIKE SPINELLI: And nobody needs
that halo more than
Chevy right now, I think.
ALEX NUNEZ: Well, Chevy has
the Corvette, which--
MIKE SPINELLI: OK, yeah.
I mean, it's true.
ALEX NUNEZ: C-7--
I mean, it's an all new car.
MIKE SPINELLI: It's all the
accessible super car.
I mean, if you want to look
at the Z06 and the Z01.
ALEX NUNEZ: It's going
to be really good.
MIKE SPINELLI: This car has to
be freaking awesome, or they
are going to be screwed, because
they really need the
bragging rights at this level.
ALEX NUNEZ: Right.
And this gives them something
that Ford doesn't have.
MIKE SPINELLI: That's true.
That is very true.
Alex Nunez.
RoadAndTrack.com.
ALEX NUNEZ: Thanks, Mike.
MIKE SPINELLI: Good site, man.
So wait a minute.
So Road And Track
just did a major
redesign for the magazine.
And you're doing the same
kind of thing with the--
ALEX NUNEZ: Right.
So the magazine relaunch
with the May issue.
June issue is out now
with a Magnus Walker
Porsche on the cover.
It's a big Porsche
issue for 911 50.
And the website relaunched
back in
December with a full redesign.
And then we had an
updated redesign.
We took the new logo
and everything.
We just did another update to
the homepage to, hopefully,
make it even more readable and
better looking for people that
come and visit.
So encourage everybody to come
visit RoadAndTrack.com.
MIKE SPINELLI: RoadAndTrak.com.
It looks awesome.
ALEX NUNEZ: Thanks,man.
MIKE SPINELLI: So, that's it.
After Drive today, what
do you guys think?
Would you buy, would
you drive, a Chevy
sport compact car?
If it's great, of
course you will.
But what would you name it?
Let us know.
There's a really good thread
up on Facebook right now.
I'm going to leave you the
link downstairs also.
www.slashdrive.tv, @drive
on Twitter, and
Facebook.com/driveTV.
I will see you guys next week.
[MUSIC PLAYING]

COSWORTH - Everything You Need to Know | Up to Speed

Donut Media:

(car engine revving)
(car backfires)
- It's the tuning team known
for rally racing, wacky wings,
and the sickest Escort ever made.
But did you know they also made
the most successful F1 engine ever?
(car engine roaring)
This is the episode of Up to
Speed where I want more cars
in it than any other
episode of Up to Speed.
(car engine roaring)
This is everything you need to know
to get up to speed on Cosworth.
(upbeat music)
It all started in the 1950's
with a couple of blokes
from Northampton, England.
Mike Costin and Keith Duckworth
were engineers at Lotus,
but they felt a little
limited in what they could
and could not do.
So they came up with a
plan to start a company
on the side building race
engines to their own specs.
But like any small startup
they ran into a problem.
That's when they went to their boss over
at Lotus, big dog Colin Chapman.
And they were like, "Mr.
Chapman, we would like
"to start designing race
engines for race cars.
"But laddies, that's
what you're doing here.
"Don't you like my engines?"
Quack, quack, quack, quack.
"Yeah, like Duckworth said, we love Lotus.
"We just want to do our own thing.
"But gentlemen, why do you need me?"
Quack, quack.
"Oh, it's money you're after.
"I love you boys.
"Here's all the pounds you need.
"But I have a few conditions."
So Costin and Duckworth started Cosworth,
a portmanteau of their last names
which makes you think would we be talking
about them now if they named
their business "Tinduck."
In 1958, Cosworth Engineering
Limited set up shop
in a rat infested old
garage in Northampton.
Colin Chapman agreed to
bankroll the new company
but with a few conditions.
Duckworth was free to leave Lotus,
but Mike Costin, who had just
signed a new contract, had
to stay on as an engineer.
And Lotus had first dibs on
any of the Cosworth engines.
Now Costin would clock
out of his job at Lotus
and use his off time to
engineer over at Cosworth.
He did this for the first
four years of the company.
It's just like how I clock out of Donut,
and then I go work on
my own YouTube channel,
Babies Reacting to Surgery.
Click that bell so you don't miss
any babies reacting to any surgeries.
Development soon began on
their first race engine.
Duckworth had his eye
on a brand new type of
racing called Formula Junior.
This was an entry level class
of open wheel racing limited
to 1000 cc engines using
basically stock engines.
It was meant as a gateway to F1,
and it would be the perfect
proving grounds for the lads.
Mike Costin and old Ducky Boy, as I like
to call him, had a working relationship
with Ford already through Lotus.
So the gents were able
to secure two Ford engines
that were developed
for the 1959 Ford Anglia.
These babies were small.
I'm talking one liter small.
They only made 39 buff ponies stock,
but the boys tinkered
with the cylinder heads
and tested new cam shaft designs.
They got the second motor,
the Mark 2 up to 75 skinny
yet powerful Bronies which is
nothing to shake a stick at.
Then they sold that engine
to Lotus who dropped it
in their Super 7.
It was already a stellar car,
but with the new Ford Cosworth engine
inside, it straight up
killed at the track.
Lotus Super 7 started
dominating competitions.
The Mark 3 engine was
an even more powerful
version of the Ford Inline 4,
now making 95 mid-century horses.
I'm talking Eames ponies.
I'm talking Frank Lloyd
Wright Clydesdales.
This was the first engine
Cosworth made that wasn't
exclusively sold to Lotus.
Other race teams were
like, "Hey, what the heck?
"We want one of them dag
blasted engines too."
And Cosworth was like,
"Right on, rock and roll."
The success of the new engines
meant that Cosworth wasn't
financially dependent on Lotus anymore.
Oh no boy, they were free.
I make my own money.
I buy my own clothes.
I do what I want dad.
Quack, quack, quack, quack.
It was clear that the engineers
at Cosworth could make a
banger, slappin' engine.
Colin Chapman new it and Ford knew it.
So in 1966 Colin Chapman played matchmaker
and convinced Ford to invest in Cosworth.
They signed a $100,000
contract that included
the development of two different engines,
the four cylinder FVA engine
or Four Valve type A was based
on a Ford cross flow engine block.
It feature twin overhead cams, 16 valves,
Lucas Fuel Injection which sucks
and Duckworth's very own
custom cylinder head.
This inline four could
produce 225 horsepower
at 9000 rpm and would go on
to dominate Formula Two until 1971.
It's an amazing engine.
But it was just the start
of what was to come.
You see the FVA was just proof of concept
for the next project, Cosworth's screaming
three liter V8 named the
DFV which I assumed stood
for damn fast vehicle, lightning.
If there's one thing you need to know
about Cosworth, it's this engine, okay.
The DFV was the first engine
completely designed by Cosworth
and there was one more thing
I wanted to mention about it.
Oh yeah, it was the most
successful F1 engine of all time.
(car engine roaring)
Think about that fellas and gals.
That's like if I loved
saxophone music which I do,
and I loved it so much that I decided
to make my own saxophone from scratch.
Then that saxophone went
on to become the best saxophone ever made
and Bill Clinton would play my saxophone
at the Hollywood Bowl.
And everybody would clap
and nobody would laugh.
The double four valve engine,
like its name implies, was
basically two of the four cylinder
FVA engines duct taped together.
Cosworth produced the
fully custom cylinder
blocks and crank case in-house.
The three liter V8 made 410 buff HRSPRS.
At the time, one of their
biggest competitors,
the Ferrari 312 made the
same amount of power,
but they used four more cylinders.
The first time the engine was used was
in the 1967 Formula 1 Dutch Grand Prix.
Colin Chapman threw it in his Lotus 49,
and driver Jim Clark took first.
That's not bad.
That's the first friggin'
time that they used it.
So Formula 1 is very strict about who gets
to use their footage, but
we were granted rare access
to a piece of film of
the Dutch Grand Prix.
Please.
(host imitating race cars)
And down the stretch they come.
I'm gonna win.
(host imitating race cars)
And Cosworth has done it.
They've crossed the finish line
and (mumbles) the checkered flag.
First time out, and they win it.
They win it all.
Oh, this footage is so authentic.
What an amazing race.
What authentic footage.
Here they are on the podium.
It looks so real, that
feel of authenticity.
And look at them spray the stuff.
He's kissing his girlfriend.
She's Cindy Crawford.
I can't believe this is real footage.
Oh, he jumps over those
crocodiles like a mad man.
Oh, there's the pirates.
Oh no, the pirates have showed up.
The pirates have showed up
and they're swashbuckling.
Colin Chapman swings down
on a rope like a Robin Hood
and cuts all their heads off.
Not only a great engineer
but a great swordsman
and a great statesman and
great, great authentic,
not at all faked footage.
(men and women laughing behind-the-scens)
Cosworth actually made a whole
F1 car on their own one year,
but it never raced.
It was way ahead of its time.
It had a four wheel drive system cooked up
by Duckworth himself, a
magnesium block DFV engine
and was built using a lightweight
wood and aluminum composite.
It was supposed to compete at
the 1969 British Grand Prix.
But it was silently withdrawn,
because it was too good.
We'll never know.
Duckster's laboratory continued
to develop race engines
but on the commercial side,
that's the stuff we can buy,
another project was
beginning to take shape.
Ford of Europe was
working on a replacement
for the hugely successful
small family car, the Anglia.
Cosworth had a ton of experience messing
with the Anglia's engines,
so they were the natural choice
to build an upgraded version
for its successor, the Escort.
The BDA or Belt Drive type A
engine was a 1600 cc inline
four with duel overhead
cams and 16 valves.
It was developed for homologation purposes
for a little thing called rally racing.
Maybe you've heard of it.
We talk about it a little bit.
(car engine roaring)
The first car to use the BDA engine was
the Ford Escort RS1600.
This thing racked up tons of rally wins.
It made a 120 horsepower
which was unheard of for
a small car at the time.
By 1969 Ford and Cosworth
were basically BFF's.
They raced each other.
They did business together.
They picked each other
up from the airport,
because that's what's friends do Nolan.
Ford would never make
Cosworth take an Uber
from the airport, because
they have a weird rash.
The RS1600's more athletic
brother, the RS2000.
Bought it in 1973.
It was slightly more powerful
and refined than the RS1600
with a zero to the 60 time of nine seconds
and a top speed of 110.
(car engine roaring)
This car also racked
up a ton of rally wins.
If you wanna know more about
all these dang Escorts,
you can check out the Up to Speed episode,
you guessed it, on the Escort.
(car engine roaring)
We could go on and on
about Cosworth's race wins,
but that would be a very long video.
And I have to go poo-pooh.
So I'm gonna hurry things up.
My apologies.
In 1975, Cosworth took their
already very successful
DFV engine and slapped
on a friggin' turbo.
(car engine roaring)
It now made 840 buff
yet intelligent horses.
The DFX quickly became
the standard Indy car
engine, dethroning the
dominant Offenhauser,
aka the Offy engine.
Now success was not always
guaranteed for Cosworth.
In 1975, Chevrolet produced
5,000 Cosworth edition Vegas.
But GM's general manager at the time,
a little dude named
John Delorean, aka, Doc
from Back to the Future, wanted
to improve performance
of the Vega following
in the onset of emission standards.
So he sent an engine designer to England
to scope Cosworth out
in hopes that they would design
a cylinder head for Chevy.
Cosworth agreed.
The next five years were
spent troubleshooting engine
problems, going back
and forth with the EPA,
and worst of all taking away horsepower
to meet emission standards.
When the Cosworth Vega made
it off the production line,
it absolutely 100% failed to deliver.
It was originally meant
to have 170 HRSPRS,
but the final product only made about 110,
and it was almost double the
price of a base model Vega.
They only sold about 3,500 of the expected
5,000 hand-built Cosworth Vegas.
And the rest were scraped.
I think that it looks pretty sick.
And they did make a 290
HRSPR version for the track,
but it wasn't enough
to sell any road cars.
Now this was the first time
Cosworth ever had their
name on a production vehicle.
And unfortunately, it
was a monumental stinker.
Their production models would have
to be better in the future or
their reputation would suffer.
But while the Vega was
struggling, Cosworth powered
cars were slaying rally
races around the world.
(car engine roaring)
The new RS1800 debuted with
a second gen Escort in 1975.
This was when we first
started seeing features
on their rally cars that are
now classic Cosworth style.
And I'm talking big old wild wheel arches
and signature fitman of high beams
on the front for night rallying.
The RS1800 had an updated
version of a twin cam engine
design for the RS1600.
A new engine rules meant they
could bore it out and get...
This is getting ridiculous.
I have to do something.
I must find him.
(somber music)
(siren blaring)
Where are you?
(man crying)
See if I get any calls.
The updated inline four
made 245 herstey hogs
and was now made into a
straight-cut five-speed ZF gearbox.
With the RS1800 the Cosworth rally
team was basically unstoppable.
(car engine roaring)
But do you think Cosworth
kicked back and got cozy?
If you said yes, you're
wrong, 'cause they didn't.
They constantly strived to
make their engines better,
more powerful, and more
dominant than the competition.
With production ramping up
for a third generation Escort in 1980
and rally racing gaining
steam, Cosworth found themself
on the precipice of something great.
This decade would produce
some of the most iconic
Cosworth powered cars ever.
Ford had won the World
Rally Championship in 1979
with a Cosworth powered RS1800.
But the FIA was about to
launch a new rally class.
They had way fewer
restrictions than Group A
or as like to call it Group Baby.
Enter Group B.
(car engine roaring)
Group B rules were very
relaxed when it came
to engine size, car weight,
and constraints on technology.
Ford did one of those big,
oh no, we're gonna need
to make our cars better.
So the boys at Cosworth took
a variant of their twin cam inline four
and slapped a big ole turbo boy on it.
(host screams)
A 1.8 liter BDT engine produced just
over 200 horsepower
for the street version.
But the race version, the
race version, could make up
to 450 buff mother fathers.
Ford put a 300 horsepower
version of the BDT
in their brand new third-gen Escort.
And the result was the RS1700T.
(car engine roaring)
Development of this car turned out
to be a huge pain in the arse,
'cause the third-gen Escort was built
on a front-wheel drive platform
which wouldn't be the
best for rally driving.
Then freakin' Audi came out of nowhere
with the Quattro all wheel drive system
and started slaying the competition.
Just kick 'em right in the nards.
Ford tried to scramble to
make the 1700T all wheel drive
but ended up scraping the
entire project in frustration
before it could ever officially race.
They decided that the only way to compete
with the all-wheel drive
Audis and Peugeots was
to build an all-wheel drive
car from the ground up.
Ford built the chassis.
Ghia designed the body.
And Reliant built the shell.
It was like a group project
and everyone did their part.
And guess what?
They all got an A.
The result was the RS200.
(car engine roaring)
Mounted in the middle of
this tiny, awesome looking
car was the Cosworth BDT engine,
the turbocharged four banger was now tuned
to make 250 HRSPR on the street
with race versions all the way up
to 444 buff horses at 8,000 rpm
and 360 tweeerk bois.
This is one of the coolest
Cosworth cars ever made.
Kent Block has one.
He won't shut-up about it.
Every time we have a frickin'
internet car guy potluck
he's like, "Hey guys,
you seen my Cosworth?"
We're like.
- [Men In Unison] "Ken,
yes we've seen it."
- [Host] And he's like, "Do you like it?"
We're like.
- [Men In Unison] "Yes Ken we like it."
- He is cool though, cooler than me.
But it didn't do great in competition.
It was too heavy to compete
with the Italian and French cars.
And one time it flew off of
road and killed three people.
Group B is crazy.
And if you wanna learn more
about it watch the Up to Speed on it.
For now, Colby show 'em
how crazy Group B is.
(car engine roaring)
Cosworth as a company never
stopped being in demand.
They were constantly approached
to work with other manufacturers
to develop high performance
homologation engines.
Mercedes saw the value
in their tuning skills
and commissioned the company
to produce some homologation
versions of their entry level sedan.
Enter the Mercedes Benz
190E 2.3, 16 Cosworth.
Add it to the list.
The rally versions were insanely powerful.
And the street versions are literally
one of my favorite
looking cars of all time.
Cosworth also worked
with Opel helping design
a long throw diesel crank engine
for a rally version of the Opel Manta
and Ascona, as well as a
two liter 16 valve engine
for the Astra and Calibra.
Later on Cosworth tuned a
turbocharged 2.7 liter V6
for the B5 Audi RS4 which made 381 HRSPRS
and had a zero to 60 time of
less than 5 frickin' seconds.
If I could have a B5 RS4 I
would probably do anything.
In the early 1980's Ford
teamed up with Cosworth
to work on a brand new Group A project.
This time it was for the
rear-wheel drive Ford Sierra.
They needed 5,000 engines to
meet the homologation minimum
and asked if Cosworth
could bring the power up
to 180 HRSPRS for the street version.
Cosworth agreed, but under two conditions.
Number one, the street engines had
to be at least 200 horsepower
and Ford had to not by five,
but they had to buy 15,000 of them.
And in 1986 the Sierra
RS Cosworth debuted.
Add it to the list.
(car engine roaring)
It had a turbocharged two
liter YBB engine derived
from the Pinto with custom
Cosworth cylinder heads,
a Borg Warner T5 gearbox,
and a massive whale tail, swallow tail.
Let me know in the comments
what you call this wing.
This is the first
car that people started
calling the Cossie.
The YBB engine made 240
horses for the street version
and more than double that for the track.
A select 500 of the
Sierra coupes were sent
to the Aston Martin plant in Tickford
to get the special treatment.
What do I mean by special treatment?
Boy I'm glad you asked.
These Sierras got a bigger turbo charger,
better fuel system, a frickin' arrow kit.
They lowered the suspension.
And most importantly, they got discreet
decals that read RS500.
So if you looked closely, you could tell.
While the street version
can make 224 buff horses,
the track version made five hunna.
(car engine roaring)
The RS500s dominated touring car racing
from 1987 to 1992, winning
championship after championship
after championship after championship
after championship all over the world.
And towards the end of its run,
track versions of the two
liter engines were making
up to 680 horsepower.
The only thing that could challenge
the RS500 was the R32 Skyline.
And that's friggin' Skyline.
The Sierra Cosworths were doing great
in Group A rally racing.
But the platform was about to transition
into being a front-wheel drive car,
and the engineers at Ford
of Europe had a little idea.
Let's take the YBB engine
and put it into a smaller
all-wheel drive car.
YBB?
More like, why not BB.
Enter the Ford Escort RS Cosworth,
one of the sickest hatchbacks ever made.
Add it to the list.
(car engine roaring)
This Cossie had a body
designed by Karmann in Germany.
It had a wing like the Sierra's
and significant aerodynamic upgrades
on the rest of the body.
The adjustable front
splitter made the Escort RS
the first production car
that could produce downforce
on the rear and the front.
It had a big old turbo with
a big violent entry that came
on around 3,500 rpm.
(car engine roaring)
Just like a Group B car.
But most importantly the production
inline four engine sent 224 horses
and 224 tuerks to all four wheels
which makes it a perfect horse port.
(horn blows)
Guys we did it.
(man claps)
Nowadays Cosworth is still
based out of Northampton.
And they're still low
key upgrading engines.
You can get a Cosworth tune-up
for your AE86 that buffs
horsepower up to 280.
Add it to the list.
They even made a limited run
of Subaru Impreza Cosworths.
Add it to the list.
The new Honda NSX has
an engine that was partially
designed by Cosworth.
This one does not get added to the list.
They totally did it wrong.
Their inspiration was a
like a luxury muscle car.
You don't design.
They've got a rich, crazy history.
They've made some of the
coolest cars in the world.
And they're still innovating.
They've made huge leaps in
hybridization, connectivity,
and the future of propulsion.
And they're still collaborating.
The Aston Martin Valkyrie,
one of the most intense
race car looking street
cars ever, has a 6.5 liter
naturally aspirated
Cosworth V12 under the hood.
With 1,130 buff Cossie horses
on tap, it's clear that
Cosworth isn't slowing
down any time soon.
Where are you?
(somber music)
(man crying)
I love you.

Detroit Speed X-Gen 535/595 Front Frame Kits

JEGS Performance:

Welcome to Detroit Speed's Tech Series Volume
Four.
My name is Dan Oddy, I'm the sales manager
for Detroit Speed, and today we're gonna talk
about the X-Gen Universal Front Suspension
Module.
Detroit Speed has now developed the X-Gen
Universal Front Suspension Module that will
work in a street rod, truck, Tri-Five, or
various other applications.
The DSE X-Gen frame comes in two series, a
535 series and a 595 series.
The 535 series is a 53 and a half inch track
width from hub to hub, while the 595 series
is a 59 and a half inch track width.
Both of DSE's X-Gen Series frames comes with
a 4x2 inch rail that can be easily installed
into your frame, giving your vehicle Detroit
Speed's unique suspension and handling performance.
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The X-Gen Series frame comes with Detroit
Speed's tubular upper and lower control arms.
The upper control arm has a stainless steel
cross shaft, caster tuner bushings which gives
you an independent caster adjustment, as well
as Delrin bushings.
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We also have the DSE Camber Shim kit, which
is marked and labeled which gives you easy
identification as well as installation and
removal.
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Detroit Speed's tubular lower control arm
has Delrin bushings and ball joints and is
TIG welded on fixtures for precision and accuracy.
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The upper and lower control arm is connected
with a modified C6 spindle and hub.
It also comes with a base JRA shock in which
we have many upgrades, including a single
adjustable, double adjustable, and that remote
canister double adjustable shock.
We also have Detroit Speed's adjustable splined
anti-roll bar, which is incorporated in the
stamped secondary cross member.
We also have a Detroit-tuned power rack and
pinion which is all new and not rebuilt.
It is incorporated into our stamped primary
cross member that's gonna add strength and
safety to your vehicle.
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For display purposes, this frame is powder
coated.
However, they are shipped in bare metal and
they are also shipped without coil-over springs
so that you can determine the correct weight
of your vehicle that we can best identify
the correct coil-over spring for your application.
Thank you for watching another installment
of Detroit Speed's Tech Series.
For any questions, call 704-662-3272, or visit
us at our website, detroitspeedcom.
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Rat Rod vs Lamborghini Aventador! Roadkill Episode 5

MotorTrend Channel:

if you had twenty-four hours with these
two cars
what would you do



as it turns out our company is sort of
annoyed with all that dirt ball stuff
that we've been doing on road kill so
they threw money at us they give a six
thousand dollars
so we went and rented this Lamborghini
Aventador that's like
that's like four dollars a minute for
the next 24 hours that's like
if you're from Alabama that's your
mortgage for about
seven or eight months that car cost
as much as my house the tax on it is
as much as we pay you in a year that hurts
this is a 2012 Lamborghini Aventador
it's supposed to be the king of the hill
the California model has 691 horsepower
it's a seven-speed paddle shifted single
clutch transmission
its all-wheel-drive and it looks like a
giant piece a Tupperware
we got 24 hours to do whatever we want
with it
but we didn't really want to be seen it
so we also brought this car with
this rat rod at the 1930 Model a
two-door sedan
and it was bought as sort of a hacked up
rat rod
and Hot Rod Magazine in conjunction with
mackie's hot rod shop
reworked it for Sailor Jerry rum it's a
marketing piece it's designed basically
to just be looked at which is kind of a
good thing is it a little hard to drive
with how
heavily chopped and channel that is it's
powered by a small block Chevy and has a
turbo 350 automatic transmission
so we're gonna hit the road here in
Southern California see what kinda
damage we can do
which one you gonna drive I know you're
the boss so
for you to pick you pick I'm taking the
rat rod how I was surprise
I alright that was such surprise my
glasses are in
yeah I'm not sure which one of these is
worse that I haven't heard
not sure how to even drive this thing
okay
this car actually has like bathroom
door locks
that's what sex sounds like
you're right there
do you see my steering wheel anywhere don't worry
that a buff out
I found it don't hurt yourself boy


okay are you ready to go on that gold chain mobile
I know this cool place down by the beach
we're gonna go breakfast see what people
think it is two cars together okay

stuck he got stuck
its stuck I a thought thats awesome
thats why I chose the lamborghini
he can't go backwards either
as big a douche bags I feel for
driving a rented Lamborghini
the fact that he's stuck in the death
trap on a driveway that's too steep
that somehow worse to me you man it's
hard to get out of this thing
gonna be a long
day for him
hey fennigan I think I'll justlisten to the radio I
can't even get out
I need a hand I literally can't get out
what a piece a crap
not happening I think rocking it was
helping
yeah ready

not happening the rocker stuck in
the ground
yeah I know you beached it hot rods are
perfectly practical vehicles for daily
use
dude it bashed the door
you need to get out too
we need the weight off it okay let's
see if we can shove it backwards
girl of
okay one two
3 okay yeah
jump in it back up hug this wall and
then come across this
okay hard yeah there you go
by doing this thing runs
start it yeah don't stop just go
are you sure that's not going to just
rip the corner panels off it
this is the only driveway but does that
mean you want to rip the corner panels
corner panels off
do this cut the wheel this way back up
more and make more of an angle
go for it

Sailor Jerry I'll probably never loan us their car again
whoops you know when I leave the doors
not gonna fly open
love the Lambo
good thing that it was this car not the Lamborghini
I'm so glad that was you and not me
the rat rod as a whole lot of fun
in theory until somebody forces you
to actually drive it the car
so heavily chopped that there's barely
any windshield in it
and it's so heavily channel that there's
not a lot of headroom and not a lot of
space between the steering wheel
and the floor so to drive this thing I had lean way back put my foot
up on the dash and sort of drive
full on monkey style
is actually pretty miserable the most
excitement I'm having right now is
hitting the button to raise and lower
the front and for railroad tracks
potholes in driveways
so pretty much I'm relegated to just
posing right now saying hey a girl
how you doing meanwhile Freiburger is in
the talk like a pirate car
yeah baby with no air conditioning
no radio lease it's quite
no safety impossible to see out this thing
no shame oh yeah
this is hot roding

yeah I could drive this every day you're
right on that
I could be fantastic if there wasn't no
other cars on the road nobody's really
looking at me
this car like I'm invisible
they're all checking out the pirate car in front of me
model A is popular right now
I think as people are worried about
running into it and needing a tetanus shot
afterwards
oh yes it is better to look good and
feel good
and I look good
turn signal lever is kind of in a weird
spot here because of the paddle shifters
notice the hand signal yeah there's no turn signal
i know if i remember what those are
Corvette guy digs me
the old broads like Sailor Jerry check it
out
see old
people dig it
no one gives a shit about the lamborghini

David is driving so slow because he
drove any faster
kill himself there is no speedometer the
brakes
only sorta work you can't see anything
yeah just get used to this it's going to
be like whole
trip
out of gas
David just ran outta gas
are you sure it just didn't load up
0 fuel pressure
that's out of gas so I need to go get gas
in a Lamborghini
yeah I go throw a five gallon jug in
there nobody will know yeah nobody will care
fight spill any on the
leather not bothering me right now
alright what good is a six thousand
dollar rental but you can't go get gas in
it's a good point be somebody I'll be
back
i win the chick attention thing so far
out dude told you it's a senior citizen
blue hairs back there that we're
literally ready to rip they're jogging
suits of for you
now where do you find gas in Hermosa Beach

what you didn't want to spill it on the lambo
California gas can
get stuck in the driveway run outta gas
I see how this day is going
dude the restaurants is right around the
corner and it's like right on the beach
chicks playing volleyball in the whole
deal we're gonna prove once again the
chicks dig the rat rod
not the Lambo beautiful downtown Hermosa
Beach California
where people have no idea what they're
looking at with this
car a big part of what we're doing here
is really figuring out which one of
these cars is a better attention hore
and we went down to the beach first
thing and I gotta say
chicks check out the rat rod and dudes
check out the Lamborghini
inverted of what you would think so so
far
I completely win the chick contest I'm
serious
let me tell you something the only people that checked
me
in that car are dudes I stopped open the door
next thing I know a little point and shoot camera
came in the window
I was like what the and it was some guy I
got a picture
the aventador logo for my roommate I
couldn't get out of the car
that car is a death trap I have to lay
down in its just to be able to steer
I can hear you're saying because there's chicks playing volleyball
wow this is the right place to come
I figure from here were almost
obligated to cruise pch a little bit and
then mulholland
right we need to get out the city the Lambo is useless
yeah the rat rod is fairly useless in traffic I didn't get out of third gear
it sucked so from here out in the city
mulholland
then after we can go out to the desert go really fast and not go to jail
we have 24 hours to kill
who's driving what I'm driving the rat rod
cruise the beach we're gonna go to mulholland so
I'm not gonna argue with your ready
are gonna suck in that thing
not for me I've never had the countach
poster when I was a kid I not a
Lamborghini fanboy
I'd just don't care it's not automatic
things are hard to get into as the hot
rod
all these guys were worshiping that car
on the motor Trend YouTube channel
everything the week I'm gonna give it to
you straight the Lamborghini
really that cool if you paid four
hundred thousand dollars for a car
wouldn't want electric seat adjuster

the rat rod is a total freak show
difficult to drive
but badass none the less
the thing is a naturally aspirated V12
6.5 liters
691 horsepower and i truly appreciate
that 8500 rpm redline
you hear that pumping
and thing does not drive that much
differently then the hot rod
I wonder if it'll downshift
yes it will okay it's peppy
I feel like Carlos Lago right now
poor Finnegan in front of me in the hot
rod not good
so I was driving the Sailor Jerry car
and
our goal is to get both cars at the mulholland drive and drive around the curves
we get stuck in typical LA traffic about
five miles into
literally crawling i watch the temp
gauge just go 220
230 240 a it's getting
hot
you wanna pull over
not my car
I never even look at the gage
I'm going to film this there's cops everywhere
yeah it's our maiden voyage in traffic
so
apparently found out the limit on the
cooling system it's alright if we sit
here for a few minutes let it cool off and get it out of the way
okay I know we shouldn't be
I hate to hurt the motor
we rented it
strange
and I think I'm getting better so I
guess drive
leaking coolant everywhere it's not going to cool off with the engine on

I'll see if it'll start
so my first experience driving the rat
rod
was it overheating in LA traffic five
miles after I get behind the wheel
this thing is boiling over I got to
get off the road before I can even get off the
highway
it goes 260 on the gauge and geysers
comes out
and we really shot straight up in the
air over the cabinet staying
it's got a cam is top on it that wasn't
on there and I was literally leaning
over thinking
I'm getting burned right here it's going
through the roof it will use
so on road kill were on a loose schedule
yeah I remember that thing we said we
are gonna do about going to mulholland and hauling butt around curves
that's not happening cuz this thing
overheated california has this bitch in
program with guys and truck to just
drive around to help stranded motorists
and so that
guy pulled over game is so much water
cooled off and we hit the road again
maybe half an hour later
and after that is fine as long as I cars
moving your good to go
you get stuck in traffic your getting
scaled probably overheating blew our
plans to go blast around Mulholland and
the thing we've got to do now
give get out to the desert because what
we're really doing with these two cars
is shooting really important a cover
for a all new issue Hot Rod magazine
and we've got to meet the photographer
out there
and with any luck we'll get there early
enough we can beat the hell out these things
on the open road
hop in
see the beauty this is it's not my
Lamborghini so we can do it
it doesn't sound good to you there you
go all seven grand
when we stopped out with the middle of the desert we meet this young couple
and once again the guy love the Lambo the
chick really liked
the hot rod what do you think of the model A
almost every woman we ran into
wants to go for a ride and model A what
you think like
I want to keep it
yes for what the cars
and ready
soI pick pick what let me guess
the one that doesn't doesn't hurt your ass bingo
alright
bout to go drag racing in a car that you
really can see more than
10 feet in front of I wanna my brightest
moves
but aleast I'll look cool

lets go drag race

how do you stall a automatic Lamborghini
the Lamborghini has what they call
thrust mode
launch control drag race to launch
control and I tried to activate it but
seems if you hold the thing up on the
rev limiter long enough while your trying to
launch
that it eventually backed down or I
lifted the gauge
automatic clutch I don't know I beat Freiberger
driving the rat rod the first race
second he kick the crap outta me once
you figure out how to drive the car
the thrust modes actually kind of cool
you turn off the stability control and
it lets you stand on the break floor the
gas becomes up to
like 5400 rpm and then you just swap
feet and mat it
and hooks up and launches it doesn't launch
that hard to me its not four hundred
thousand dollars fast at all
if that the best at work ever this is
probably the best one
I so after we were done messin around
out in the desert we had to wait till
dusk
and we went straight into our Hot Rod
Magazine cover shoot we found an
abandoned desert road in the first thing
we did
is we got a couple very slow car to car
shots to get from action for the
magazine
and then our photographer west allison set them both up on the road
and we lit them to shoot the cover
at the September issue of Hot Rod
magazine which is going to be
this all-new complete makeover on the
magazine
so this was a really important shoot
it doesn't seem like it but it's really hard work falling around with really
great cars and so
done with photo shoot time to go eat
some food here's
we can't drink in the Lambo
we signed a contract if can't afford to fail that contract
I will say this I'm not a Lambo guy but I'm
definitely a v12 guy
now about 8500 rpm
nothing sounds like that badass it's
like playing a video game here in
seventh gear in
tap tap tap year and second unit doesn't
care doesn't whine about
thats totally the best part the cars the
seventy mile an hour quadruple downshift
in
it's really it's only redeeming
value because
chick seemed like this better most
people say that they would take this
home instead of that
you have to admitt it yeah those people never gone
for a ride it doesn't stop
it doesn't go this is literally a
compound fracture
waiting to happen this is a death trap
just legs broken
dangling off I so
what now I'm you go somewhere we've got
nearly eight hours left paying five
dollars a minute
lamborghini and were hanging out in this pile and
I was 25 bucks for it there
I'm getting out of here
this was ostensibly a comparison to
these two cars although we really know
that it was just a freak show for our
fun and enjoyment
but I do have some thoughts to take away
from it
the rat rod think it's so popular right
now and I know why it's because the cars
are cartoony and fun and
evil and they just look like we wish hot
rods really were the truth is
it's not fast it's not a performance car
it's not
that fun to drive around unless all you
want to do is get looked at
it's a miracle I'm sitting here today
the rat rod
there's no good way to describe this
thing where you're going to want to
drive this car
it's an attention grabber it's a lot of
fun it's a cartoon
great marketing tool for Sailor Jerry
but not something that you want to drive
every single day
even though you can drive it whatever
car show you want the Lamborghini
I I just don't see it Finnegan thinks
the car is brutally fast if you're real
hot rodder you're probably not gonna say
you like a Lamborghini
but if you ever got the chance to be toss
the keys to one
you can't buy it seems it does have some
value on the freeway
when your cruise along into sixth or
seventh and you downshift like
second stand on it the v12 screams like
a banshee and that is pretty cool to me
that's the best feature the car
is being able to shriek at the 8500 rpm
but you know what it's just as hard to
get you now to the Lamborghini is it is
the rat rod the scissor doors are just
annoying and you need like know how to
run a
Hewlett Packard computer to function the
center console
way too many switches and gadget on it
it's not that comfortable
it's not that fast the thing I will give
it
is that we had no real track time at all
no performance testing on a road course
I think the Lamborghini with really kick
ass
the all-wheel-drive unbeatable but
that's just not our skills that we were
looking at this more from the
regular muscle car died their
one-dimensional car as you drive a ride
cuz you want to be seen
you by the Lambo cuz you want to be seen
you're never gonna push it
the way you should push it or the way we
pushed it now
so pretty much their posers cars you
know
you can afford either one you buy for
whatever reason you're